Fronius Push

[bulletmark]

But then this morning the first 2 readings were 0 power (and naturally therefore energy),

I forgot to comment about this. Note that the generation and consumption power values send by Fronius are a “spot” sample so largely of little value or meaning. E.g. you may turn the microwave oven on for 30 secs at the time the spot value is sampled so the consumption power value sent to PVO is much higher than the average power used over the complete 5 mins. So a “0” value doesn’t necessarily mean no power was generated/consumed over the period. It just means 0 was the value of the spot sample.

Thus the only meaningful power value to send each 5 min period is the AVERAGE power over that 5 mins but because we are sending the energy value that means that the average power can be computed by PVO itself (from the difference between current and preceding energy counts scaled by time) and thus we don’t need to send it(!). So my pusher originally only sent generation and energy counts, plus voltage. However PVO has another bug that it will not display standby values unless you send power values so I actually just compute the average power values from the energy value differences and send them redundantly.

[dangerousdave]

So after a month you have lost 30 times that amount from your cumulative totals, etc.

You two are talking/operating at a level way above my understanding. But I’ll just point out that my zero readings occur during the day… multiple times… not just after midnight. And I also get a few power figures that are less than what I know is my baseload (if that’s the term). So, each month, I’m losing a lot more info than 30 x my first reading of the day.

Bankstown bloke has kindly explained why that happens - to my unsophisticated understanding, it’s something like the inverter and the smart meter sending generation and export figures info at slightly different times which might explain why it seems to happen a lot more on days when ther’s intermittent cloud cover. But a warning to any readers who think they can rely on my ideas about this.

[willisave]

The bug being that PVO uses the first push of the day to bias the day’s counts whereas it should use the counts from the last push of the previous day.

Perhaps it does that for meters, where it is looking at a permanently incrementing ‘lifetime’ counter that doesn’t reset. For inverters, running from the DAY_ENERGY field direct from the inverter, it clearly is not doing this - its just recording the value straight from the inverter. Different variables, different JSON collections from meters than from inverters.

If you think about it, your inverter has generated power to boot itself and then send a PVO push at the next 5 min boundary so I think it should definitely be sending a finite generation energy count at that time although I agree with you that from the raw DAY_ENERGY it seems to be 0 from the inverter.

To the extent that it is using a bit of power to power the inverter, this energy is lost and not available to the house to use anyway, much like the unknown amount of energy lost in the wires from the roof to the inverter, so I’m happy to accept the 0 baseline as whatever comes out of the inverter after it has used what it needs to power itself.

But to answer the question you edited out - yes, I’ve checked the TOTAL_ENERGY and YEAR_ENERGY counters which don’t reset - and the initial value at the start of the day is always identical to the last count at the end of the day when the unit sleeps, so there really isn’t any lost energy being masked by setting anything to zero in the first push.
Here are the raw values from the inverter in the last push of yesterday, and the first push of this morning. TOTAL_ENERGY and YEAR_ENERGY are identical, indicating the zero value in PAC (instantaneous power) and DAY_ENERGY (accumulated daily energy counter) are real and valid, not a result of any bug.

[willisave]

I forgot to comment about this. Note that the generation and consumption power values send by Fronius are a “spot” sample so largely of little value or meaning. E.g. you may turn the microwave oven on for 30 secs at the time the spot value is sampled so the consumption power value sent to PVO is much higher than the average power used over the complete 5 mins. So a “0” value doesn’t necessarily mean no power was generated/consumed over the period. It just means 0 was the value of the spot sample.

Yes. But Fronius provides the DAY_ENERGY and other energy counters direct from the device, so the energy recorded for the day is an accurate count, regardless of the timing of the spot power samples, which make for pretty charts but shouldn’t be used for doing any maths on unless theres no other choice. This is actually an issue for many of the Powerwall recordings, where accumulated energy currently being calculated from spot power values, and by the end of the day have incorrectly accumulated +/- 0.5 kWh different from that recorded from the inverter - but the Fronius energy counts (NOT the power counts) are the ‘true’ record in this example.

You two are talking/operating at a level way above my understanding. But I’ll just point out that my zero readings occur during the day… multiple times… not just after midnight. And I also get a few power figures that are less than what I know is my baseload (if that’s the term). So, each month, I’m losing a lot more info than 30 x my first reading of the day.

Yes - if you are getting solar generation power from instantaneous ‘spot’ readings on the inverter, and consumption from spot power readings from the meter, and they are sampling at different times, then the ‘export’ value or ‘net’ value calculated from subtracting these two could easily go negative as times. Better to use energy counters and calculate average power from the energy measures if you can, rather than use spot power samples direct from the devices - but I don’t have a Fronius meter, so can’t help there.

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But to answer the question you edited out

I did a test overnight and also saw that what I said didn’t exactly match what I measured although to be honest I can’t explain what I measured either! You hadn’t replied so I just edited out what I wrote.

[bankstownbloke]

Inverter Logdata push which contains average 5-minute power from the inverter is now supported.

This brings us one step closer to getting better results with net meter data.

Next step is to support the Meter Logdata push, will need a volunteer with a Fronius smart meter to push some samples for analysis.

EDIT: @bulletmark has kindly offered to push some meter samples.

Fronius Push - Inverter Daily Logdata

The PVOutput Fronius Push service now supports the daily log data format SolarAPI v1 - Logdata - Data from the inverter. The daily log data can be pushed every hour and the message will contain the current day’s average 5-minute data. To send the summary add another push service with - Data format - SolarAPI v1 - Logdata - Data Interval - 1 hour All the other settings should be the same as the existing SolarAPI v1 - CurrentData - Inverter setup. Note that the hourly log data push will - C…

[bankstownbloke]

Needing another volunteer with a Fronius smart meter currently using auto=1 parameter to push some samples for analysis.

Please email pvoutput@gmail.com details.

[sulzbacher]

i startet the push of the Log Data from inverter. Something is wrong with the last Log Push. the Values from the last hour of the last day are zero. sysid 57693. i also have a one Phase Fronius smartmeter with auto=1

[bankstownbloke]

Something is wrong with the last Log Push. the Values from the last hour of the last day are zero. sysid 57693. i also have a one Phase Fronius smartmeter with auto=1

It looks like the log push only goes up to 23:00 local time, the next push at 0:00 goes on to the next day and clears out all values, so the last hour is lost.

The day consumption calculated by auto=1 from meter current data pushes would have lower been lower than the 6436Wh result pushed by log data. No energy increases means power would be 0W.

Can you try removing the auto=1 from meter push?

[sulzbacher]

ok, i changed auto=1 to n=1

[bankstownbloke]

ok, i changed auto=1 to n=1

Just added a change to enable auto=1 to work nice with the Log Data push after 23:00, feel free to change it back to auto if n=1 is not working well.

[bankstownbloke]

Results of Log Data pushes -

Fronius Push - Inverter+Meter Daily Logdata

This is now working with meter data and we have had some positive results. BEFORE [image] AFTER [image] All gaps and 0W on the consumption have been eliminated. Highly recommended to add the additional Logdata push.

[nitrox1971]

im using fronius push for 6 months now but on the 29th usage way out. there is almost zero usage as on a shed no house.i have not changed any setting is anyone else seeing same issue

just noticed app on phone shows last reading as export when next reading comes in goes as export previous one moves to used ?

[mrgrumpy83]

is anyone else seeing same issue

Yes I’m seeing exactly the same since the 29th too. I rebooted the inverter during the day and it was fine for the rest of that day but subsequent days have done the same thing. No changes this end either, the setup has been working perfectly for over 12 months for me.

[bankstownbloke]

there is almost zero usage as on a shed no house.i have not changed any setting is anyone else seeing same issue

Sorry there was a change around handling negative consumption on the auto=1 parameter which doesn’t seem to work very well with the push data from your system.

The change has been reverted back.

[mrgrumpy83]

The change has been reverted back.

Looks normal again this morning. Thanks!

[B-Man]

Hi,

Can someone help with the push data

i have put in both inverter and log data

/service/r2/froniuspost.jsp?sid=your_sid&key=your_key

there’s a parameter nodayenergy for inverter. what does this do and do i need it? im guessing i just put &nodayenergy=(0 or 1) at the end of the link

now is the log data to show the correct averages and update it if anything hasn’t be added??

There is 2 parameters Mode and auto. do i have to set them and if so to what?

I have the inverter connected before my metering device so it is gross consumption
i have a flukso to read my gross consumption

so i need the setup to show all generation then work out how much was import or export.

also the metering device i have hooked up to the flukso is a pulse output so could that actually be connected to the Inverter in meter setup as the “S0 Inverter 1” instead of the fronius smart meter and get all the benefits of having them both hooked in together?

TIA

[willisave]

@B-Man this is the line in my inverter (Note NOT meter):
/service/r2/froniuspost.jsp?sid=57175&key=xxx&dayenergy=1

And this produces the green line in
https://pvoutput.org/intraday.jsp?sid=57175

If you’re running the latest version of firmware in the inverter (in ‘system information’ tab mine says 'Software version 3.10.2-1 ', and the firmware update button says theres no newer firmware available) then the ‘day energy bug’ should be fixed, and so you probably want ‘dayenergy=1’ to get the inverter’s idea of what cumulative energy has been generated, rather than have PVO calculate it from the 5-minute power values.

I think the ‘mode’ and ‘auto’ parameters are only relevant to meters, not inverters, so I’m not using them in my inverter push settings.

(more on ‘day energy’ - the data retrieved from the inverter each time includes current instantaneous power (PAC), and cumulative energy generated by the inverter for the day, for the year, and for its total lifetime: see Fronius Push above for what this looks like.
In older firmware, the DAY_ENERGY value had issues, so a flag was put in to the push URL to prevent PVO using it, and instead have PVO calculate day energy from the power - this is the ‘nodayenergy’ flag. The bug seems to have been fixed, but the default is now to not use the DAY_ENERGY value, so ‘dayenergy=1’ is required to make PVO read the DAY_ENERGY value rather than recalculate it from scratch, which introduces errors if a sample or two is missed, and if the power varies significantly between 5-minute samples).

[B-Man]

If you’re running the latest version of firmware in the inverter (in ‘system information’ tab mine says 'Software version 3.10.2-1 ', and the firmware update button says theres no newer firmware available) then the ‘day energy bug’ should be fixed, and so you probably want ‘dayenergy=1’ to get the inverter’s idea of what cumulative energy has been generated, rather than have PVO calculate it from the 5-minute power values.

yes updated to the latest version
appears to be running fine with the Inverter and log data. i setup.

I did add the &dayenergy=1 to the inverter push and all still seems fine. thanks.

ill be looking at hooking up my smart meter ABB B23 pulse output device to the fronius just unsure if i will use that or continue using the flukso to post my data. depends if it works as expected or not.

[bulletmark]

Can somebody please summarize what the best inverter and meter push settings are for a Fronius Primo running the latest available inverter fro28500.upd and datalogger 3.10.2-1 firmwares?